The remaining to-do item is BZ#1045, get proper Internet at the site. Although a pricing change at Karma has made this a little more urgent, there is a good possibility that the repeater will be moved to a new site somewhere in the relatively near future.
Because of this, it makes no sense to do something now, so BZ#1045 has been changed to "RESOLVED WONTFIX" for the time being.
The repeater does lock up once in a while. It seems to be far less frequent when it is set to digital only. The relatively long outage was the result of a corrupted SD card. It was a quick fix once we gained access to the site, but that took some time due mainly to missed signals.
Stations connecting via D-STAR are logged by the repeater. For the most part, stations coming in over RF have been WB8RCR, WB8WNF, WD8BPT and W8QN. Dozens, maybe hundreds of stations have appeared through links to reflectors and other repeaters.
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Monday, May 22, 2017
Friday, February 3, 2017
February Radio Club Presentation
Last night, February 2, WB8RCR gave a presentation on the new D-STAR
repeater to the Midland Amateur Radio Club. The slides are presented
below.
Although a discussion of the repeater was promised, most of this
presentation will be about D-STAR, how does it work, how do you use it.
Knowing that, the repeater makes more sense.
You all know D-STAR is a digital voice technology. What that means
is that when you speak into the microphone, your voice is digitized,
data is added to the packet, and the data is then transmitted over the
air.When the packet is received, the data is sent to the screen on the radio, and the voice to the speaker.
D-STAR repeaters are almost always linked. One thing that differentiates D-STAR from other technologies like DMR is that with D-STAR, the user determines the linking, rather than the repeater owner. If you want to link the Midland repeater to the Battle Creek repeater, or the Glasgow repeater, or the Brisbane repeater, fine.

To understand why D-STAR works the way it does, it helps to understand the stack of modules that make up a D-STAR repeater. To be useful, a D-STAR repeater has to have at least a radio module and a gateway module. Many D-STAR repeaters have multiple radio modules. The slide shows the naming convention for the modules. A 'B' module will be a 440 repeater, 'C' will be 2 meters, and 'G' will be a gateway.
Most of the Michigan D-STAR repeaters have both 2 meter and 440 modules. There are a few that also have 23 cm voice and 23 cm high speed data. D-STAR voice modules can also carry data, but they are much slower than the 23 cm 'D' module.

To give you control over the repeater, each D-STAR data packet includes 4
'call signs', each with a specific purpose. MYCALL is obvious, it
should be the call sign of the person holding the microphone.RPT1 is the call of the repeater module you are connecting with. You can think of this one as like PL on an analog repeater. If you transmit on the Midland repeater's frequency with RPT1 set to the call of Battle Creek, the Midland repeater will ignore you, since it knows you aren't talking to it, but to some other repeater.
RPT2 is perhaps the most confusing. This is almost always the gateway module for the repeater in RPT1. If you leave RPT2 blank, you can still be heard on the local repeater, but you will not be heard on any linked repeater. You will, however, still hear calls made through the linked repeater.
URCALL almost always contains CQCQCQ, meaning you will be heard by anyone. As we will see later, this field can also issue commands to the repeater.
The first 6 characters of a call sign field are the call sign, as you would expect. The seventh character is the module letter. In the URCALL field, the eighth character is the command. If the call you are referencing has less than six characters, you need to leave enough spaces for the module letter to appear in position 7 and the command in 8.

In addition to your call in the MYCALL field, you may also program a message to be sent along with your call. People frequently put their name, location, and sometimes the kind of radio they are using in this message. When they key the mike, you will see this scroll across your screen.
To program your radio for the Midland repeater, set the frequency to 444.350, duplex, offset 5 MHz (standard for 440), no PL. PL has no meaning in D-STAR. Set RPT1 to KC8ARJ B, module B being the 440 module. RPT2 set to KC8ARJ G, the gateway, and URCALL to CQCQCQ.
This basically says that you will talk to anyone on the repeater, like a normal repeater, but you will also talk to anyone on a repeater or reflector linked to the repeater.

The URCALL field is where stuff happens; particularly the eighth position of URCALL. If this is an I, the repeater will tell you about itself, an E will cause your transmission to be echoed, an L links the repeater to something else, and a U unlinks.

To use the commands, you set the eighth character, key the mike for a second, then go back to CQCQCQ to use whatever you have set up. In the case of E, Echo, you speak for a few seconds. On most radios you can make this change from the front panel, but depending on the radio it might be a bit of a pain. If you only use a few D-STAR repeaters, you might program channels for the common commands.
So for example, set an I in position 8, key the mike for a second, and 'Linked to REF024 C' might scroll across the screen and the repeater speaks 'Linked to R E F 0 2 4 charlie'. During the meeting we demonstrated this with an HT. Put an E in position 8, key the mike and speak for a few seconds, and the repeater repeats your transmission back to you. This is a great way to tell how well you are making the repeater.
To link to a reflector, you need to put the name of the reflector in URCALL before the L in position 8. Key the mike for a second, the repeater responds as it does for 'I'. Return to CQCQCQ to talk over the reflector. A reflector is kind of like a chat room for repeaters. It is a place that a number of repeaters may link.

To unlink, simply send a U in position 8 and the repeater will be unlinked from whatever it is linked to, and respond with 'Not Linked'.

You can link to a repeater, just like to a reflector. Reflector names are always 7 characters, but repeaters might be less, to you may need blanks to move the module letter to position 7 and the link command to position 8. For example, W 8 D F blank blank C L to link to the 2 meter module of the Battle Creek repeater, or W X 8 G R R B L for the 440 module at Grand Rapids.
Some newer radios have a DR mode. You download a repeater list from the Internet and read it into the radio. The list can include both D-STAR and analog repeaters. You can then see a list of repeaters and simply touch the repeater on the screen to setup frequency, offset and PL for analog repeaters, calls for D-STAR repeaters.
Since these radios have a GPS, you can see the list of repeaters sorted by distance from you. You can even scan nearby repeaters, and the list will update as you drive. In this mode, there are on-screen choices to linking, info, echo, etc.

Pressing the DR button on the radio brings up two boxes. Tapping the lower 'From' box gives you a choice or a repeater list, a nearby repeater list, or a list of repeaters to which you have recently transmitted.
Tapping the top box, gives you the menu of linking, unlinking, info and echo.
WD8BPT brought his ID-5100, and antenna and power supply into the meeting so we could demonstrate how simple it is to load the repeater list and get on the air. It took less than two minutes, even in demo mode, to load all the Michigan repeaters and many from adjoining states into Denny's 5100.
There are a LOT of reflectors. Some of the common ones are
- REF024C an open reflector commonly used around Michigan. Repeaters in Midland, Owosso, Stutsmanville, Howell and Traverse City are often linked to this reflector.
- REF024A the Michigan ARES reflector. This reflector is used by ARES groups, including the SEOC, when there is an activation. There is an ARES net on this reflector every Monday evening.
- REF001C is sometimes called the Megarepeater. A couple dozen repeaters around the world are commonly linked, as well as a lot of hotspots, mostly in English-speaking countries. This tends to be a favorite of British, Irish and Scottish operators but is open to anyone.
- REF004C is often used by folks meeting on REF001C but moving off for a rag chew to free up the very busy REF001C
- REF030C is a lot like REF001C except that mostly it links U.S. repeaters

Since the radios typically have GPS, you can configure your radio to transmit your location as part of the packet. Then the receiving station can get a display of your location. In this screenshot, Dave, G7HJX was in his car transmitting from Burntwood Staff's, which is apparently 3631 miles northeast of WB8RCR.

Most of the reflectors have Internet dashboards. Here you can see the repeaters linked in, any hotspots linked, as well as the recently heard stations. If the station's call is shown in orange, clicking on it will show you the location on Google Maps.
So finally we get to talking about the repeater itself. It is the same Yaesu DR-1X Fusion repeater that has been there about a year, but we have added a Raspberry Pi and an NW Digital UDRC, which allows D-STAR to be added to the previous Fusion and analog capabilities. We also added a power controller which allows for the repeater power to be cycled remotely.
Here are some of the more common radios. The Icom ID-5100 is a dual band mobile, very feature-rich. Even if you are not interested in D-STAR, the capabilities of this radio make it a great choice if you want a high-end mobile. The main downside is that the control head is huge to accommodate the large touch screen. However, the format of the head is a lot like a GPS, so windshield mounts intended for a GPS work well.The ID-51A+ is kind of the handheld sister of the ID-5100. The ID-51A+2 add a Bluetooth hotspot, so you can tether the HT to your phone, and continue your conversation on a reflector even when you aren't in repeater range.
The ID-880H is a current D-STAR radio, but the small display makes working with D-STAR challenging.
The Kenwood TH-D74A is interesting in that it is a three band D-STAR radio, in addition to 2 meters and 440 it adds 220 capability. If does not, however, support DPRS.
The Icom IC-7100 is a D-STAR radio that also does HF. There are, in fact, HF D-STAR nets. This radio also has DR mode, but it isn't quite as polished as the 5100.
There are a number of ways to access the D-STAR reflectors when you are not within range of a repeater.The old standard is the DV Dongle. This lets you connect to D-STAR using your computer's speaker and microphone, no radio required. The DVAP is like your private, D-STAR repeater. Like the DV Dongle, it connects to your PC, but it requires a D-STAR radio. The DV4mini adds DMR capabilities, but otherwise is similar to the DVAP. The DV-Mega sits on a Raspberry Pi, providing similar features to the DV4mini without typing up your computer.
If you have questions, post them in the comments below.
Some useful links:
Sunday, September 11, 2016
LTE Testing
I kind of expect that it may take a little while to get proper Internet up to the site, so I thought I might get an LTE hot spot for the interim. D-STAR repeaters don't require a lot of data, so that kind of service can be fairly inexpensive. By my calculations, we would have to work hard to use even 1GB per month.
So a couple of tests. First thing was to configure the Pi to us WiFi instead of my wired Internet. That turned out to not be terribly difficult. I had previously tried unsuccessfully to get the Pi 3 internal Wifi working without success. Apparently I hadn't tried hard enough. Turned out a little man page exploration and it took off.
But then I ran across a note on setting it up on the UDRC message board. Their way was a lot nicer than mine, so I tried it out and it worked fine.
One slick thing is that the configuration file lets you specify different priorities for different WiFi networks. So I added my cell phone's hotspot in at a higher priority. I then rebooted the Pi to force it to disconnect, and was able to validate that it had connected to the phone's network. That was actually a bit tricky because without another network, figuring out the Pi's IP address was a bit of a trail of bread crumbs. The phone seems to give out random IPs, unlike my router which assigns them sequentially making it easy to guess.
It seemed a little unhappy a first, but after a while it started to work fine. I worried about it at first, but then I realized that all the various gateways need to get comfortable with the new external IP. After a few minutes, everything worked fine.
I had a nice QSO with a station in West Virginia, throughout the repeater continued to report 0% bit error rate, audio was perfect, so as expected, it looks like the LTE is plenty good.
I got curious how resilient it would be changing networks, so I turned off the cell phone hotspot and almost immediately it reconnected to the home WiFi and picked up where it left off.
So it looks like an LTE connection will be quite reasonable. A lot of people use DVAPs and DV-Megas tethered from their cell phones, but I wanted to prove to myself that it was going to work with this hardware.
So a couple of tests. First thing was to configure the Pi to us WiFi instead of my wired Internet. That turned out to not be terribly difficult. I had previously tried unsuccessfully to get the Pi 3 internal Wifi working without success. Apparently I hadn't tried hard enough. Turned out a little man page exploration and it took off.
But then I ran across a note on setting it up on the UDRC message board. Their way was a lot nicer than mine, so I tried it out and it worked fine.
One slick thing is that the configuration file lets you specify different priorities for different WiFi networks. So I added my cell phone's hotspot in at a higher priority. I then rebooted the Pi to force it to disconnect, and was able to validate that it had connected to the phone's network. That was actually a bit tricky because without another network, figuring out the Pi's IP address was a bit of a trail of bread crumbs. The phone seems to give out random IPs, unlike my router which assigns them sequentially making it easy to guess.
It seemed a little unhappy a first, but after a while it started to work fine. I worried about it at first, but then I realized that all the various gateways need to get comfortable with the new external IP. After a few minutes, everything worked fine.
I had a nice QSO with a station in West Virginia, throughout the repeater continued to report 0% bit error rate, audio was perfect, so as expected, it looks like the LTE is plenty good.
I got curious how resilient it would be changing networks, so I turned off the cell phone hotspot and almost immediately it reconnected to the home WiFi and picked up where it left off.
So it looks like an LTE connection will be quite reasonable. A lot of people use DVAPs and DV-Megas tethered from their cell phones, but I wanted to prove to myself that it was going to work with this hardware.
Repeater "Modules"
D-STAR repeaters can have a number of so-called modules. Each module is indicated by a letter after the call. Typically, the letter tells you about the module. The convention is:
A - 23 cm
B - 70 cm
C - 2 meter
D - 23 cm high-speed data
G - Gateway
These letters actually could be anything, but in practice the only place you see an exception is where a repeater might have multiple modules on one band.
Any useful repeater will have at least a band module and a gateway. KC8ARJ has a B and a G module. A surprising number of Michigan repeaters have four, and two have all five.
The letter is the seventh character of the call. A lot of radios and software have a separate field for the module. If you are linking to a repeater with a short call, you might have to add spaces. For example, to link to the 2 meter module of the Battle Creek machine:
W8DF CL
That's 2 spaces between the call and the module, forcing the module into position 7 and the command into position 8.
Reflectors also have modules, but in the case of reflectors, the letter has no meaning other than to separate different conversations on the same host. If you look at the three REF024 entries you can see all have the same dashboard and uplink speed (click on the image to enlarge):
And all the modules are combined on the same dashboard:
A - 23 cm
B - 70 cm
C - 2 meter
D - 23 cm high-speed data
G - Gateway
These letters actually could be anything, but in practice the only place you see an exception is where a repeater might have multiple modules on one band.
Any useful repeater will have at least a band module and a gateway. KC8ARJ has a B and a G module. A surprising number of Michigan repeaters have four, and two have all five.
The letter is the seventh character of the call. A lot of radios and software have a separate field for the module. If you are linking to a repeater with a short call, you might have to add spaces. For example, to link to the 2 meter module of the Battle Creek machine:
W8DF CL
That's 2 spaces between the call and the module, forcing the module into position 7 and the command into position 8.
Reflectors also have modules, but in the case of reflectors, the letter has no meaning other than to separate different conversations on the same host. If you look at the three REF024 entries you can see all have the same dashboard and uplink speed (click on the image to enlarge):
And all the modules are combined on the same dashboard:
D-STAR Reflectors and links
The D-STAR network has a whole bunch of reflectors. These reflectors add a lot of capability, and really are what makes D-STAR fun. The repeater is configured to connect to REF024C after an hour of inactivity. REF024C is an open reflector used mainly in Michigan. It is a relatively quiet reflector, although a call will often scare up a QSO. The REF024 reflectors are hosted at the Owosso repeater, W8SHI.
Two other interesting reflectors are REF001C, the so-called MegaRepeater, and REF030C, a reflector that links a lot of U.S. repeaters. Both of these are quite busy. REF001C is so busy that, if you want to rag chew, it is recommended you move off to REF004C.
A complete list of REF reflectors can be found here.
Each of the reflectors has a dashboard that tells you who is linked to the reflector. The dashboard for REF0024 is here, and for REF001, here. There are also CCS, DCS, XRF and XLX reflectors, but the REF reflectors seem to be the most used.
There is a list of D-STAR repeaters here.
Some stations have turned on "visibility" for their radios, and in that case, you can see whenever they press the PTT here. There is also a link to tell you how to turn on visibility for your radio if you wish.
Two other interesting reflectors are REF001C, the so-called MegaRepeater, and REF030C, a reflector that links a lot of U.S. repeaters. Both of these are quite busy. REF001C is so busy that, if you want to rag chew, it is recommended you move off to REF004C.
A complete list of REF reflectors can be found here.
Each of the reflectors has a dashboard that tells you who is linked to the reflector. The dashboard for REF0024 is here, and for REF001, here. There are also CCS, DCS, XRF and XLX reflectors, but the REF reflectors seem to be the most used.
There is a list of D-STAR repeaters here.
Some stations have turned on "visibility" for their radios, and in that case, you can see whenever they press the PTT here. There is also a link to tell you how to turn on visibility for your radio if you wish.
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